abortion, one, afghanistan another, medicare, taxes. that's what the obama campaign came out of saying that's where they thought he scored. they're -- they spent this weekend an they're going to spend every moment talking to people, figuring out which ones they can now exploit. chris: it's about policy differences. >> and trying to reach the groups. they're very precise about what sort of margins they need in certain groups, and how do they exploit that. that makes an overarching argument, but how do they move voters in the votes they need in the swing states? >> the issue that hasn't come up yet is immigration. we know how important latinos are in the swing states. chris: we asked the matthews meters -- could the obama team have played things smarter after the debacle in denver in that first debate? 11 say yes, they could have done it better. one person said something like, "heck, yeah." and some lodged their votes with multiple exclamation points. including you, john. [laughter] >> i was in all caps with a lot of exclamation points. c